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Perkins, Dexter
Fri, Apr 8, 2022 8:40 PM

We have, like many, used wooden models for teaching symmetry. They are small and sometimes bigger is better.
With today's 3D printers it ought to be possible to print our own larger versions. Provided we have stl files or some such format files. (Our IT guys say they need stl but I bet conversion can be done.)
I figure somebody must have created a zillion stl files for different shaped crystals. Right? Does anyone know of a source.
Or, is there some crystal drawing app that will create them for me?
Or does anyone have a suggestion about an efficient way to create and print such models?

We have, like many, used wooden models for teaching symmetry. They are small and sometimes bigger is better. With today's 3D printers it ought to be possible to print our own larger versions. Provided we have stl files or some such format files. (Our IT guys say they need stl but I bet conversion can be done.) I figure somebody must have created a zillion stl files for different shaped crystals. Right? Does anyone know of a source. Or, is there some crystal drawing app that will create them for me? Or does anyone have a suggestion about an efficient way to create and print such models?
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Ingrid Kjarsgaard
Sat, Apr 9, 2022 1:08 PM

Hi, Dexter
At the beginning of the pandemic I had to transition my mineralogy course to on-line delivery but decided to supply the students with hands on mineral samples and crystal models. The cheapest way to crystal models is to cut out paper shapes and glue them together but it usually ends in a mess and not everyone is dextrous enough to do a good job. 3D Printing the shapes seemed to be the obvious way to go, but a first run-through by our own university 3D printing facility proved disappointing (the edges weren’t sharp enough, there were irregularities in the surfaces and some of the models were way too small and expensive with ca. $20 per model). I finally got a grant from the department to contract this out and was very happy with https://www.shapeways.com/shops/smorf https://www.shapeways.com/shops/smorf who produced solid, crisp white models and delivered them within a few weeks (see attached). If you want to go it alone you can download stl files from https://www.thingiverse.com https://www.thingiverse.com/.

Ingrid Kjarsgaard
Ottawa, Canada

On Apr 8, 2022, at 4:40 PM, Perkins, Dexter via MSA-talk msa-talk@minlists.org wrote:

We have, like many, used wooden models for teaching symmetry. They are small and sometimes bigger is better.
With today’s 3D printers it ought to be possible to print our own larger versions. Provided we have stl files or some such format files. (Our IT guys say they need stl but I bet conversion can be done.)
I figure somebody must have created a zillion stl files for different shaped crystals. Right? Does anyone know of a source.
Or, is there some crystal drawing app that will create them for me?
Or does anyone have a suggestion about an efficient way to create and print such models?


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Hi, Dexter At the beginning of the pandemic I had to transition my mineralogy course to on-line delivery but decided to supply the students with hands on mineral samples and crystal models. The cheapest way to crystal models is to cut out paper shapes and glue them together but it usually ends in a mess and not everyone is dextrous enough to do a good job. 3D Printing the shapes seemed to be the obvious way to go, but a first run-through by our own university 3D printing facility proved disappointing (the edges weren’t sharp enough, there were irregularities in the surfaces and some of the models were way too small and expensive with ca. $20 per model). I finally got a grant from the department to contract this out and was very happy with https://www.shapeways.com/shops/smorf <https://www.shapeways.com/shops/smorf> who produced solid, crisp white models and delivered them within a few weeks (see attached). If you want to go it alone you can download stl files from https://www.thingiverse.com <https://www.thingiverse.com/>. Ingrid Kjarsgaard Ottawa, Canada > On Apr 8, 2022, at 4:40 PM, Perkins, Dexter via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote: > > We have, like many, used wooden models for teaching symmetry. They are small and sometimes bigger is better. > With today’s 3D printers it ought to be possible to print our own larger versions. Provided we have stl files or some such format files. (Our IT guys say they need stl but I bet conversion can be done.) > I figure somebody must have created a zillion stl files for different shaped crystals. Right? Does anyone know of a source. > Or, is there some crystal drawing app that will create them for me? > Or does anyone have a suggestion about an efficient way to create and print such models? > _______________________________________________ > MSA-talk mailing list -- msa-talk@minlists.org <mailto:msa-talk@minlists.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to msa-talk-leave@minlists.org <mailto:msa-talk-leave@minlists.org>
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Jennifer Stone-Sundberg
Sat, Apr 9, 2022 3:48 PM

Hi,

That was a subject of the research of Prof. Peter Moeck at Portland State University. We were looking at the positive impact on education with availability of 3D models. You can generate the print files for crystal structures in the crystallography open database (COD) on his website:

https://nanocrystallography.research.pdx.edu/databases/

The files can be in STL, X3D, or VRML. Prof. Werner Kaminsky at the University of Washington created a conversion for CIF files to VRML (CIF2VRML) which you can find on the link above.

Good luck!
Jennifer

On Apr 9, 2022, at 5:33 AM, Perkins, Dexter via MSA-talk msa-talk@minlists.org wrote:


We have, like many, used wooden models for teaching symmetry. They are small and sometimes bigger is better.
With today’s 3D printers it ought to be possible to print our own larger versions. Provided we have stl files or some such format files. (Our IT guys say they need stl but I bet conversion can be done.)
I figure somebody must have created a zillion stl files for different shaped crystals. Right? Does anyone know of a source.
Or, is there some crystal drawing app that will create them for me?
Or does anyone have a suggestion about an efficient way to create and print such models?


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Hi, That was a subject of the research of Prof. Peter Moeck at Portland State University. We were looking at the positive impact on education with availability of 3D models. You can generate the print files for crystal structures in the crystallography open database (COD) on his website: https://nanocrystallography.research.pdx.edu/databases/ The files can be in STL, X3D, or VRML. Prof. Werner Kaminsky at the University of Washington created a conversion for CIF files to VRML (CIF2VRML) which you can find on the link above. Good luck! Jennifer > On Apr 9, 2022, at 5:33 AM, Perkins, Dexter via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote: > >  > We have, like many, used wooden models for teaching symmetry. They are small and sometimes bigger is better. > With today’s 3D printers it ought to be possible to print our own larger versions. Provided we have stl files or some such format files. (Our IT guys say they need stl but I bet conversion can be done.) > I figure somebody must have created a zillion stl files for different shaped crystals. Right? Does anyone know of a source. > Or, is there some crystal drawing app that will create them for me? > Or does anyone have a suggestion about an efficient way to create and print such models? > _______________________________________________ > MSA-talk mailing list -- msa-talk@minlists.org > To unsubscribe send an email to msa-talk-leave@minlists.org
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Benjamin Andersen
Sun, Apr 10, 2022 12:13 AM

We transitioned to 3D printed models at the beginning of the pandemic, to
send home a set with each student. I printed a selection of the ones found
on this site:

https://crystalmodels3d.wordpress.com/home/

I imported the models into tinkercad.com to add identifiers to each model.
I should make those available, but I would feel the need to clean them up a
bit then, and I don't have the time to do that right now.

The link takes you to a site, with a good selection of crystal models, that
redirects to thingiverse for downloading. I'd be hesitant to go searching
through thingiverse itself.

The models can be scaled to whatever size your 3D printer print volume is,
but the larger it is, the longer it will take. I would suggest an infill of
about 10-15%, depending on how large you go.

I've been 3D printing for about 5 years now. If you, or your IT, have any
questions, I'd be happy to help.

On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 9:43 AM Jennifer Stone-Sundberg via MSA-talk <
msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote:

Hi,

That was a subject of the research of Prof. Peter Moeck at Portland State
University. We were looking at the positive impact on education with
availability of 3D models. You can generate the print files for crystal
structures in the crystallography open database (COD) on his website:

https://nanocrystallography.research.pdx.edu/databases/

The files can be in STL, X3D, or VRML. Prof. Werner Kaminsky at the
University of Washington created a conversion for CIF files to VRML
(CIF2VRML) which you can find on the link above.

Good luck!
Jennifer

On Apr 9, 2022, at 5:33 AM, Perkins, Dexter via MSA-talk <
msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote:



We have, like many, used wooden models for teaching symmetry. They are
small and sometimes bigger is better.

With today’s 3D printers it ought to be possible to print our own larger
versions. Provided we have stl files or some such format files. (Our IT
guys say they need stl but I bet conversion can be done.)

I figure somebody must have created a zillion stl files for different
shaped crystals. Right? Does anyone know of a source.

Or, is there some crystal drawing app that will create them for me?

Or does anyone have a suggestion about an efficient way to create and
print such models?


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Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences
College of Science and Mathematics
California State University, Fresno
Direct: 559.278.2975 <(559)%20278-2975>

We transitioned to 3D printed models at the beginning of the pandemic, to send home a set with each student. I printed a selection of the ones found on this site: https://crystalmodels3d.wordpress.com/home/ I imported the models into tinkercad.com to add identifiers to each model. I should make those available, but I would feel the need to clean them up a bit then, and I don't have the time to do that right now. The link takes you to a site, with a good selection of crystal models, that redirects to thingiverse for downloading. I'd be hesitant to go searching through thingiverse itself. The models can be scaled to whatever size your 3D printer print volume is, but the larger it is, the longer it will take. I would suggest an infill of about 10-15%, depending on how large you go. I've been 3D printing for about 5 years now. If you, or your IT, have any questions, I'd be happy to help. On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 9:43 AM Jennifer Stone-Sundberg via MSA-talk < msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote: > Hi, > > That was a subject of the research of Prof. Peter Moeck at Portland State > University. We were looking at the positive impact on education with > availability of 3D models. You can generate the print files for crystal > structures in the crystallography open database (COD) on his website: > > https://nanocrystallography.research.pdx.edu/databases/ > > The files can be in STL, X3D, or VRML. Prof. Werner Kaminsky at the > University of Washington created a conversion for CIF files to VRML > (CIF2VRML) which you can find on the link above. > > Good luck! > Jennifer > > On Apr 9, 2022, at 5:33 AM, Perkins, Dexter via MSA-talk < > msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote: > >  > > We have, like many, used wooden models for teaching symmetry. They are > small and sometimes bigger is better. > > With today’s 3D printers it ought to be possible to print our own larger > versions. Provided we have stl files or some such format files. (Our IT > guys say they need stl but I bet conversion can be done.) > > I figure somebody must have created a zillion stl files for different > shaped crystals. Right? Does anyone know of a source. > > Or, is there some crystal drawing app that will create them for me? > > Or does anyone have a suggestion about an efficient way to create and > print such models? > _______________________________________________ > MSA-talk mailing list -- msa-talk@minlists.org > To unsubscribe send an email to msa-talk-leave@minlists.org > > _______________________________________________ > MSA-talk mailing list -- msa-talk@minlists.org > To unsubscribe send an email to msa-talk-leave@minlists.org > -- Ben Andersen Instructional Support Technician Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences College of Science and Mathematics California State University, Fresno Direct: 559.278.2975 <(559)%20278-2975>
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Bob Morgan
Sun, Apr 10, 2022 12:46 AM

Shape crystal drawing program creates such files. I haven't used the 3 D mode but have been able to draw crystals that do not have perfect symmetry and resemble an actual specimen.
On Saturday, April 9, 2022, 08:33:33 AM EDT, Perkins, Dexter via MSA-talk msa-talk@minlists.org wrote:

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We have, like many, used wooden models for teaching symmetry. They are small and sometimes bigger is better.

With today’s 3D printers it ought to be possible to print our own larger versions. Provided we have stl files or some such format files. (Our IT guys say they need stl but I bet conversion can be done.)

I figure somebody must have created a zillion stl files for different shaped crystals. Right? Does anyone know of a source.

Or, is there some crystal drawing app that will create them for me?

Or does anyone have a suggestion about an efficient way to create and print such models?


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Shape crystal drawing program creates such files. I haven't used the 3 D mode but have been able to draw crystals that do not have perfect symmetry and resemble an actual specimen. On Saturday, April 9, 2022, 08:33:33 AM EDT, Perkins, Dexter via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote: <!--#yiv7976334186 _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv7976334186 #yiv7976334186 p.yiv7976334186MsoNormal, #yiv7976334186 li.yiv7976334186MsoNormal, #yiv7976334186 div.yiv7976334186MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;}#yiv7976334186 a:link, #yiv7976334186 span.yiv7976334186MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv7976334186 a:visited, #yiv7976334186 span.yiv7976334186MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv7976334186 span.yiv7976334186EmailStyle17 {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv7976334186 .yiv7976334186MsoChpDefault {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;} _filtered {}#yiv7976334186 div.yiv7976334186WordSection1 {}--> We have, like many, used wooden models for teaching symmetry. They are small and sometimes bigger is better. With today’s 3D printers it ought to be possible to print our own larger versions. Provided we have stl files or some such format files. (Our IT guys say they need stl but I bet conversion can be done.) I figure somebody must have created a zillion stl files for different shaped crystals. Right? Does anyone know of a source. Or, is there some crystal drawing app that will create them for me? Or does anyone have a suggestion about an efficient way to create and print such models? _______________________________________________ MSA-talk mailing list -- msa-talk@minlists.org To unsubscribe send an email to msa-talk-leave@minlists.org
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Thomas Shea
Sun, Apr 10, 2022 6:34 AM

Hi all,

During the first year of the pandemic, I know several groups created sets
of 3D printable crystal models. A few I made can be accessed here:
https://ecl.earthchem.org/view.php?id=1478 (along with a catalogue of
random 2D sections to illustrate to mineralogy students that thin sections
can display a large variety). As Jinny said, SHAPE - by Eric Dowty - is a
vastly superior solution, in that one can save any custom crystal model
into .stl format [but it's not free...very worth it if you're into
mineral forms].

While I will always prefer the feel of the wood models, 3D printing
crystals is a lot of fun and students find it interesting.

Best,

Tom

On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 6:43 AM Jennifer Stone-Sundberg via MSA-talk <
msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote:

Hi,

That was a subject of the research of Prof. Peter Moeck at Portland State
University. We were looking at the positive impact on education with
availability of 3D models. You can generate the print files for crystal
structures in the crystallography open database (COD) on his website:

https://nanocrystallography.research.pdx.edu/databases/

The files can be in STL, X3D, or VRML. Prof. Werner Kaminsky at the
University of Washington created a conversion for CIF files to VRML
(CIF2VRML) which you can find on the link above.

Good luck!
Jennifer

On Apr 9, 2022, at 5:33 AM, Perkins, Dexter via MSA-talk <
msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote:



We have, like many, used wooden models for teaching symmetry. They are
small and sometimes bigger is better.

With today’s 3D printers it ought to be possible to print our own larger
versions. Provided we have stl files or some such format files. (Our IT
guys say they need stl but I bet conversion can be done.)

I figure somebody must have created a zillion stl files for different
shaped crystals. Right? Does anyone know of a source.

Or, is there some crystal drawing app that will create them for me?

Or does anyone have a suggestion about an efficient way to create and
print such models?


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Volcanology-Geochemistry-Petrology
Dept. of Earth Sciences
University of Hawaii at Manoa
http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/earthsciences/FACULTY/tshea/index.html
http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/GG/FACULTY/tshea/index.html

Hi all, During the first year of the pandemic, I know several groups created sets of 3D printable crystal models. A few I made can be accessed here: https://ecl.earthchem.org/view.php?id=1478 (along with a catalogue of random 2D sections to illustrate to mineralogy students that thin sections can display a large variety). As Jinny said, SHAPE - by Eric Dowty - is a vastly superior solution, in that one can save any custom crystal model into .stl format [but it's not free...very worth it if you're into mineral forms]. While I will always prefer the feel of the wood models, 3D printing crystals is a lot of fun and students find it interesting. Best, Tom On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 6:43 AM Jennifer Stone-Sundberg via MSA-talk < msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote: > Hi, > > That was a subject of the research of Prof. Peter Moeck at Portland State > University. We were looking at the positive impact on education with > availability of 3D models. You can generate the print files for crystal > structures in the crystallography open database (COD) on his website: > > https://nanocrystallography.research.pdx.edu/databases/ > > The files can be in STL, X3D, or VRML. Prof. Werner Kaminsky at the > University of Washington created a conversion for CIF files to VRML > (CIF2VRML) which you can find on the link above. > > Good luck! > Jennifer > > On Apr 9, 2022, at 5:33 AM, Perkins, Dexter via MSA-talk < > msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote: > >  > > We have, like many, used wooden models for teaching symmetry. They are > small and sometimes bigger is better. > > With today’s 3D printers it ought to be possible to print our own larger > versions. Provided we have stl files or some such format files. (Our IT > guys say they need stl but I bet conversion can be done.) > > I figure somebody must have created a zillion stl files for different > shaped crystals. Right? Does anyone know of a source. > > Or, is there some crystal drawing app that will create them for me? > > Or does anyone have a suggestion about an efficient way to create and > print such models? > _______________________________________________ > MSA-talk mailing list -- msa-talk@minlists.org > To unsubscribe send an email to msa-talk-leave@minlists.org > > _______________________________________________ > MSA-talk mailing list -- msa-talk@minlists.org > To unsubscribe send an email to msa-talk-leave@minlists.org > -- Thomas Shea Assistant Professor Volcanology-Geochemistry-Petrology Dept. of Earth Sciences University of Hawaii at Manoa http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/earthsciences/FACULTY/tshea/index.html <http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/GG/FACULTY/tshea/index.html>
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Ralf Milke
Sun, Apr 10, 2022 12:54 PM

If there is no connection to any wooden crystal model or a real crystal or
a paper printer, or a sheet of paper, 3D might be helpful. We have
microplastics anyway.

But there was something easier before. Miller indices.

If there is no connection to any wooden crystal model or a real crystal or a paper printer, or a sheet of paper, 3D might be helpful. We have microplastics anyway. But there was something easier before. Miller indices.
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Dori Farthing
Thu, Apr 14, 2022 9:07 PM

I will also add that over the past 2 years, I have really been happy to be able to send home bags of 3D printed crystal structures (as well as a 3D ternary print) with students to help support learning beyond the classroom.  These 3D printed versions were cheaper than the wooden Krantz blocks (though yes…less warm to the touch) and if one got lost, it was ok.

When every student has their own copy of a crystal form, it also made a huge difference for tests since they no longer had to wait for a test sample to pass to them during the exam time.  Studying in groups in dorms or even in zoom land was easier when everyone has their set of crystals…they could all look at sample together, make videos of themselves drawing a stereonet for a block, etc.

There is a really nice sense of “ownership” that I saw in students when they got to caretake for a bag of 16 or so 3D printed crystals.  I saw more students just playing with them….rotating them on their fingertips…which helps grow comfort with these blocks with curious shapes.  I figured if a student flipped around a 6/m 2/m 2/m block lots as a fidget device while studying, they actually might have a sense of what rotation feels like and that is a win!

-Dori

—————————————
Dr. Dori Farthing
SUNY Geneseo
Chair and Assoc. professor
Dept. of Geological Sciences

On Apr 10, 2022, at 2:34 AM, Thomas Shea via MSA-talk msa-talk@minlists.org wrote:

Hi all,

During the first year of the pandemic, I know several groups created sets of 3D printable crystal models. A few I made can be accessed here: https://ecl.earthchem.org/view.php?id=1478 https://ecl.earthchem.org/view.php?id=1478 (along with a catalogue of random 2D sections to illustrate to mineralogy students that thin sections can display a large variety). As Jinny said, SHAPE - by Eric Dowty - is a vastly superior solution, in that one can save any custom crystal model into .stl format [but it's not free...very worth it if you're into mineral forms].

While I will always prefer the feel of the wood models, 3D printing crystals is a lot of fun and students find it interesting.

Best,

Tom

On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 6:43 AM Jennifer Stone-Sundberg via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org mailto:msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote:
Hi,

That was a subject of the research of Prof. Peter Moeck at Portland State University. We were looking at the positive impact on education with availability of 3D models. You can generate the print files for crystal structures in the crystallography open database (COD) on his website:

https://nanocrystallography.research.pdx.edu/databases/ https://nanocrystallography.research.pdx.edu/databases/

The files can be in STL, X3D, or VRML. Prof. Werner Kaminsky at the University of Washington created a conversion for CIF files to VRML (CIF2VRML) which you can find on the link above.

Good luck!
Jennifer

On Apr 9, 2022, at 5:33 AM, Perkins, Dexter via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org mailto:msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote:


We have, like many, used wooden models for teaching symmetry. They are small and sometimes bigger is better.

With today’s 3D printers it ought to be possible to print our own larger versions. Provided we have stl files or some such format files. (Our IT guys say they need stl but I bet conversion can be done.)

I figure somebody must have created a zillion stl files for different shaped crystals. Right? Does anyone know of a source.

Or, is there some crystal drawing app that will create them for me?

Or does anyone have a suggestion about an efficient way to create and print such models?


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Volcanology-Geochemistry-Petrology
Dept. of Earth Sciences
University of Hawaii at Manoa
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I will also add that over the past 2 years, I have really been happy to be able to send home bags of 3D printed crystal structures (as well as a 3D ternary print) with students to help support learning beyond the classroom. These 3D printed versions were cheaper than the wooden Krantz blocks (though yes…less warm to the touch) and if one got lost, it was ok. When every student has their own copy of a crystal form, it also made a huge difference for tests since they no longer had to wait for a test sample to pass to them during the exam time. Studying in groups in dorms or even in zoom land was easier when everyone has their set of crystals…they could all look at sample together, make videos of themselves drawing a stereonet for a block, etc. There is a really nice sense of “ownership” that I saw in students when they got to caretake for a bag of 16 or so 3D printed crystals. I saw more students just playing with them….rotating them on their fingertips…which helps grow comfort with these blocks with curious shapes. I figured if a student flipped around a 6/m 2/m 2/m block lots as a fidget device while studying, they actually might have a sense of what rotation feels like and that is a win! -Dori ————————————— Dr. Dori Farthing SUNY Geneseo Chair and Assoc. professor Dept. of Geological Sciences > On Apr 10, 2022, at 2:34 AM, Thomas Shea via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote: > > Hi all, > > During the first year of the pandemic, I know several groups created sets of 3D printable crystal models. A few I made can be accessed here: https://ecl.earthchem.org/view.php?id=1478 <https://ecl.earthchem.org/view.php?id=1478> (along with a catalogue of random 2D sections to illustrate to mineralogy students that thin sections can display a large variety). As Jinny said, SHAPE - by Eric Dowty - is a vastly superior solution, in that one can save any custom crystal model into .stl format [but it's not free...very worth it if you're into mineral forms]. > > While I will always prefer the feel of the wood models, 3D printing crystals is a lot of fun and students find it interesting. > > Best, > > Tom > > On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 6:43 AM Jennifer Stone-Sundberg via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org <mailto:msa-talk@minlists.org>> wrote: > Hi, > > That was a subject of the research of Prof. Peter Moeck at Portland State University. We were looking at the positive impact on education with availability of 3D models. You can generate the print files for crystal structures in the crystallography open database (COD) on his website: > > https://nanocrystallography.research.pdx.edu/databases/ <https://nanocrystallography.research.pdx.edu/databases/> > > The files can be in STL, X3D, or VRML. Prof. Werner Kaminsky at the University of Washington created a conversion for CIF files to VRML (CIF2VRML) which you can find on the link above. > > Good luck! > Jennifer > >> On Apr 9, 2022, at 5:33 AM, Perkins, Dexter via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org <mailto:msa-talk@minlists.org>> wrote: >> >>  >> We have, like many, used wooden models for teaching symmetry. They are small and sometimes bigger is better. >> >> With today’s 3D printers it ought to be possible to print our own larger versions. Provided we have stl files or some such format files. (Our IT guys say they need stl but I bet conversion can be done.) >> >> I figure somebody must have created a zillion stl files for different shaped crystals. Right? Does anyone know of a source. >> >> Or, is there some crystal drawing app that will create them for me? >> >> Or does anyone have a suggestion about an efficient way to create and print such models? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MSA-talk mailing list -- msa-talk@minlists.org <mailto:msa-talk@minlists.org> >> To unsubscribe send an email to msa-talk-leave@minlists.org <mailto:msa-talk-leave@minlists.org> > _______________________________________________ > MSA-talk mailing list -- msa-talk@minlists.org <mailto:msa-talk@minlists.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to msa-talk-leave@minlists.org <mailto:msa-talk-leave@minlists.org> > > > -- > Thomas Shea > Assistant Professor > Volcanology-Geochemistry-Petrology > Dept. of Earth Sciences > University of Hawaii at Manoa > http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/earthsciences/FACULTY/tshea/index.html <http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/GG/FACULTY/tshea/index.html> > _______________________________________________ > MSA-talk mailing list -- msa-talk@minlists.org > To unsubscribe send an email to msa-talk-leave@minlists.org