... and, honestly, there is no non-profit publisher at all. Even AmMin does not com from air, wind and sun alone. Fair and tough peer-review is what counts. Anyone against? > Hello friends, > > I became a scientist to identify complex problems and solve them, and then > share my new knowledge with the world. Flattering a review or hiring > committee never entered my mind as a fulfilling life goal, which could > explain my lack of a permanent academic job. > > Barry's concerns are likely real, and I may need to rethink my strategy… > > > On the note of peer review, as a scientist I was taught to only believe > claims which are supported by facts. Unless there is a published peer > review alongside the paper we devolve science into a belief based system. > However I was also taught that as a scientist, I became a peer, and any > paper I find, I can read and come to a conclusion on if it’s a good paper > worth citing, or if its low quality and should be ignored. Knowing that I > had the power to read scientific papers and could critically think about > their results is a really cool concept that sold me on the whole concept > of > becoming a scientist. I happen to like the MDPI model because they will > publish these reviews if you so elect to, and as open access I can always > read the papers. At the moment none of the undergraduates who work with me > can access my AmMin papers. It's frustrating and morally conflicting to > have to explain SciHub to them. Real science is so different from how it > was explained to me as an undergraduate. > > > Food for thought, > > -Ryan McCarty > University of California President's Postdoctoral Fellow > Chemistry Department, University of California, Irvine > rmccarty@uci.edu 805-791-8587 > _______________________________________________ > MSA-talk mailing list > MSA-talk@minlists.org > http://lists.minlists.org/mailman/listinfo/msa-talk >

i have always preferred the Journal of Irreproducible Results… this is the very Zenith of publishing, n’est pas? fs Professor Emeritus Frank J. Spera Dept of Earth Science University of California Santa Barbara, CA 93106 http://magma.geol.ucsb.edu https://mcs.geol.ucsb.edu There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. - Shakespeare, Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 5 > On Jan 21, 2020, at 1:00 PM, Ralf Milke <milke@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote: > > ... > > and, honestly, there is no non-profit publisher at all. > > Even AmMin does not com from air, wind and sun alone. > > Fair and tough peer-review is what counts. > > Anyone against? > > > > >> Hello friends, >> >> I became a scientist to identify complex problems and solve them, and then >> share my new knowledge with the world. Flattering a review or hiring >> committee never entered my mind as a fulfilling life goal, which could >> explain my lack of a permanent academic job. >> >> Barry's concerns are likely real, and I may need to rethink my strategy… >> >> >> On the note of peer review, as a scientist I was taught to only believe >> claims which are supported by facts. Unless there is a published peer >> review alongside the paper we devolve science into a belief based system. >> However I was also taught that as a scientist, I became a peer, and any >> paper I find, I can read and come to a conclusion on if it’s a good paper >> worth citing, or if its low quality and should be ignored. Knowing that I >> had the power to read scientific papers and could critically think about >> their results is a really cool concept that sold me on the whole concept >> of >> becoming a scientist. I happen to like the MDPI model because they will >> publish these reviews if you so elect to, and as open access I can always >> read the papers. At the moment none of the undergraduates who work with me >> can access my AmMin papers. It's frustrating and morally conflicting to >> have to explain SciHub to them. Real science is so different from how it >> was explained to me as an undergraduate. >> >> >> Food for thought, >> >> -Ryan McCarty >> University of California President's Postdoctoral Fellow >> Chemistry Department, University of California, Irvine >> rmccarty@uci.edu 805-791-8587 >> _______________________________________________ >> MSA-talk mailing list >> MSA-talk@minlists.org >> http://lists.minlists.org/mailman/listinfo/msa-talk >> > > > _______________________________________________ > MSA-talk mailing list > MSA-talk@minlists.org > http://lists.minlists.org/mailman/listinfo/msa-talk

Me too! Thanks, Ryan! -- June Wicks Assistant Professor Hopkins Extreme Materials Institute Departments of Earth & Planetary Sciences, Mechanical Engineering The Johns Hopkins University 3400 North Charles Street Baltimore, MD 21218-2687 www.junewicks.rocks<http://www.junewicks.rocks> On Jan 21, 2020, at 10:05 AM, Ryan Jeffrey McCarty <rmccarty@uci.edu<mailto:rmccarty@uci.edu>> wrote: Count me in the young and stupid crow too! But also count me in the crowd that isn’t going to prejudge scientific work because it comes from China, Asian authors, or a Chinese publication. Or prejudge work from unknown editors or unknown authors. Its science after all, not a marketing campaign, not a popularity contest, and especially not a white people only career. Any capable scientist shouldn’t care where an idea was published, only 1) Can I read the science? 2) Are the ideas supported by evidence or data? 3) Does it add or confirm insight about our world? -Ryan McCarty University of California President's Postdoctoral Fellow Chemistry Department, University of California, Irvine rmccarty@uci.edu<mailto:rmccarty@uci.edu> 805-791-8587 On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 6:38 AM Massimo Nespolo <massimo.nespolo@univ-lorraine.fr<mailto:massimo.nespolo@univ-lorraine.fr>> wrote: Dear Bartosz, you are a young scientist, indeed... your reaction testifies your ingenuity and lack of experience. I have described in detail the strategy of “insidious publishers”, which are modelled precisely on MDPI. I have been solicited number of times, and it took several virulent reactions to convince them stop harassing me. I have seen number of "special issues" announced, often with editors pretty unknown (I judge only those in my filed), and then disappeared for lack of papers. I have seen manuscripts rejected by serious journals appearing a couple of weeks later in MDPI journals - including manuscripts I have reviewed myself. You can read some history of MDPI on wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDPI#Controversies We scientists are good faith guys (and girls, of course!), who represent an easy prey for these crocodiles of business. You should become a bit more aware of the dangers out there: your lab, your institutions are a cocoon, but outside is a jungle. You need to open your eyes, before it's too late. Unless you feel appealed by the business model represented by MDPI & Co., of course. Massimo Tuesday, January 21, 2020, 2:38:26 PM, you wrote: > Dear Massimo, > As a young scientist, I have read this message with my eyes wide open. > Firstly, accusing MDPI for being predatory requires evidence, for > example this "non-peer-reviewed crap" you were talking about. Secondly, > no paragraph in your link touches the topic of this particular > publisher. I feel that your mail was written without deep thought on > what you have written. If all of it is true, then gain evidence and > start a trial to close this publisher. Other than that, your words are > as predatory as MDPI in your opinion. > Regards, > Bartosz > W dniu 2020-01-21 12:08, Massimo Nespolo napisał(a): >> Dear Colleagues, >> once again, I would like to draw your attention on the danger >> represented by predatory publishers like MDPI. This publishing house, >> based in Switzerland but actually operating from China, publishes a >> lot of non-peer-reviewed crap and makes quite a money on that. To >> buy some sort of reputation and avoid being completely blacklisted, it >> exploits the good faith of colleagues who fell in its grip and >> accept editing special issues which are used as bait and switch. >> I have described in detail their strategy in an article I have already >> posted here in the past. Allow me to post again the link, it might be >> useful to avoid falling in this sort of traps >> https://frama.link/predatory >> >> Massimo Nespolo, Nancy (France) >> >> >>> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 02:14:15 +0000 >>> From: "Hetherington, Callum" <Callum.Hetherington@ttu.edu<mailto:Callum.Hetherington@ttu.edu>> >>> To: "msa-talk@minlists.org<mailto:msa-talk@minlists.org>" <msa-talk@minlists.org<mailto:msa-talk@minlists.org>>, >>> "GEO-CARBONATITES@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:GEO-CARBONATITES@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>" >>> <GEO-CARBONATITES@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:GEO-CARBONATITES@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>> >>> Subject: [MSA-talk] Minerals Special Issue - REE Minerals >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> <DM5PR0601MB3653D62511496BADF78ED5FAF20D0@DM5PR0601MB3653.namprd06.prod.outlook.com<mailto:DM5PR0601MB3653D62511496BADF78ED5FAF20D0@DM5PR0601MB3653.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >>> Dear Colleagues >> >>> I would like to draw your attention to a special issue being >>> prepared for publication in Minerals dedicated to the occurrence, >>> behavior and petrographic significance of REE-minerals. >> >>> For more information please see the attached flyer or visit the >>> special issue home-page at: >>> https://www.mdpi.com/journal/minerals/special_issues/RMOBPS >> >>> I am interested in receiving contributions from any and all fields >>> of the Geosciences where the description and/or application of >>> REE-mineral occurrence and behavior is one of the central themes. >> >>> The target-date for submissions to the special issue is 15 September >>> 2020. >> >>> Please do not hesitate to get in touch if you have ideas for >>> manuscripts. Thank you for your time and attention, >> >>> Callum >> >>> Callum J. Hetherington, PhD >>> Department of Geosciences >>> Texas Tech University >>> Box 41053 >>> Lubbock, TX 79410-1053 >>> USA >> >>> IRES - Study Abroad in South Africa - Program Co-Leader >>> (southafrica.geosciences.ttu.edu<http://southafrica.geosciences.ttu.edu/>) >>> PI South Plains Scholarship Program - >>> (http://www.depts.ttu.edu/artsandsciences/spss/index.php) >>> Director, College of Arts & Sciences Microscopy >>> (http://www.depts.ttu.edu/casm/) >>> Associate Editor, American Mineralogist >>> (http://www.minsocam.org/MSA/AmMin/AmMineral.html) >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ >> Prof. Dr. Massimo Nespolo >> Université de Lorraine >> Faculté des Sciences et Technologies >> Institut Jean Barriol, FR 2843 >> CRM2 UMR - CNRS 7036 >> BP 70239, Boulevard des Aiguillettes >> F54506 Vandoeuvre-lès-Nancy cedex France >> tel: 03.72.74.56.46 >> fax: 03.72.74.52.18 >> massimo.nespolo@univ-lorraine.fr<mailto:massimo.nespolo@univ-lorraine.fr> >> http://www.crystallography.fr/pages_perso/Nespolo/ >> https://twitter.com/saikonobiwa >> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MSA-talk mailing list >> MSA-talk@minlists.org<mailto:MSA-talk@minlists.org> >> http://lists.minlists.org/mailman/listinfo/msa-talk -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Prof. Dr. Massimo Nespolo Université de Lorraine Faculté des Sciences et Technologies Institut Jean Barriol, FR 2843 CRM2 UMR - CNRS 7036 BP 70239, Boulevard des Aiguillettes F54506 Vandoeuvre-lès-Nancy cedex France tel: 03.72.74.56.46 fax: 03.72.74.52.18 massimo.nespolo@univ-lorraine.fr<mailto:massimo.nespolo@univ-lorraine.fr> http://www.crystallography.fr/pages_perso/Nespolo/ https://twitter.com/saikonobiwa _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _______________________________________________ MSA-talk mailing list MSA-talk@minlists.org<mailto:MSA-talk@minlists.org> http://lists.minlists.org/mailman/listinfo/msa-talk _______________________________________________ MSA-talk mailing list MSA-talk@minlists.org<mailto:MSA-talk@minlists.org> http://lists.minlists.org/mailman/listinfo/msa-talk