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Ann Benbow

Wed, Mar 20, 2024 5:18 PM

Hello all,

Sorry to bother but can anyone on this list direct me to a vendor who sells accurate wooden models of the 32 crystal classes?

I did a simple search online but have not had any luck so far.

For use in a mineralogy class.

Thanks

FS

Frank Spera
spera@ucsb.edu

Hello all, Sorry to bother but can anyone on this list direct me to a vendor who sells accurate wooden models of the 32 crystal classes? I did a simple search online but have not had any luck so far. For use in a mineralogy class. Thanks FS Frank Spera spera@ucsb.edu

HX

HUIFANG XU

Wed, Mar 20, 2024 5:52 PM

Hi Frank:
I suggest to use 3D printer to make your own.
Best wishes!

Huifang

From: Ann Benbow via MSA-talk msa-talk@minlists.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2024 12:18 PM
To: Andrea Koziol via MSA-talk msa-talk@minlists.org
Subject: [MSA-talk] Request from Frank Spera

Hello all,

Sorry to bother but can anyone on this list direct me to a vendor who sells accurate wooden models of the 32 crystal classes?

I did a simple search online but have not had any luck so far.

For use in a mineralogy class.

Thanks

FS

Frank Spera
spera@ucsb.edu mailto:spera@ucsb.edu

Hi Frank: I suggest to use 3D printer to make your own. Best wishes! Huifang From: Ann Benbow via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2024 12:18 PM To: Andrea Koziol via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org> Subject: [MSA-talk] Request from Frank Spera Hello all, Sorry to bother but can anyone on this list direct me to a vendor who sells accurate wooden models of the 32 crystal classes? I did a simple search online but have not had any luck so far. For use in a mineralogy class. Thanks FS Frank Spera spera@ucsb.edu<mailto:spera@ucsb.edu>

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Mogk, David

Wed, Mar 20, 2024 6:01 PM

Hi Folks,
We’ve used wood crystal models for years from the Krantz collection.

Listing of different sets of wood models is at:
https://www.mineralogy.eu/models/Krantz/wooden-models.html
They also list glass and cardboard versions.

Images of the blocks:
https://www.mineralogy.eu/models/unsigned_wood01.html

These tend to be expensive, and I’m not sure about current availability. But this was the source of our wood block crystal symmetry collections.
Hope this helps,
Dave Mogk
Montana State University

From: Ann Benbow via MSA-talk msa-talk@minlists.org
Date: Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 11:31 AM
To: Andrea Koziol via MSA-talk msa-talk@minlists.org
Subject: [MSA-talk] Request from Frank Spera

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Hello all,

Sorry to bother but can anyone on this list direct me to a vendor who sells accurate wooden models of the 32 crystal classes?

I did a simple search online but have not had any luck so far.

For use in a mineralogy class.

Thanks

FS

Frank Spera
spera@ucsb.edu

Hi Folks, We’ve used wood crystal models for years from the Krantz collection. Listing of different sets of wood models is at: https://www.mineralogy.eu/models/Krantz/wooden-models.html They also list glass and cardboard versions. Images of the blocks: https://www.mineralogy.eu/models/unsigned_wood01.html These tend to be expensive, and I’m not sure about current availability. But this was the source of our wood block crystal symmetry collections. Hope this helps, Dave Mogk Montana State University From: Ann Benbow via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org> Date: Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 11:31 AM To: Andrea Koziol via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org> Subject: [MSA-talk] Request from Frank Spera **External Sender** Hello all, Sorry to bother but can anyone on this list direct me to a vendor who sells accurate wooden models of the 32 crystal classes? I did a simple search online but have not had any luck so far. For use in a mineralogy class. Thanks FS Frank Spera spera@ucsb.edu

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Roberta Flemming

Wed, Mar 20, 2024 6:11 PM

Dear Frank,
The last time I bought wooden models was from Krantz.
https://www.krantz-online.de/en/teaching-material/crystal-lattices-and-models/
They were lovely but it was only a subset of the range of possible crystal
forms.

My most recent solution to my mineralogy teaching needs was to purchase a
3D printer and a copy of SHAPE by Eric Dowty.
https://www.shapesoftware.com/00_Website_Homepage/

Using SHAPE you can draw any crystal model you want on the computer, and
print several copies for your class on the 3D printer.
This has solved my crystal model needs for mineralogy classes for the
foreseeable future!
Cheers,
Roberta

Roberta L. Flemming, Professor
Department of Earth Sciences

Institute for Earth and Space Exploration
Western University
London, ON, N6A 5B7
Phone: 519-661-3143; Fax: 519-661-3198
email: rflemmin@uwo.ca

On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 1:27 PM Ann Benbow via MSA-talk <
msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote:

Hello all,

Sorry to bother but can anyone on this list direct me to a vendor who
sells accurate wooden models of the 32 crystal classes?

I did a simple search online but have not had any luck so far.

For use in a mineralogy class.

Thanks

FS

Frank Spera

spera@ucsb.edu

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Dear Frank, The last time I bought wooden models was from Krantz. https://www.krantz-online.de/en/teaching-material/crystal-lattices-and-models/ They were lovely but it was only a subset of the range of possible crystal forms. My most recent solution to my mineralogy teaching needs was to purchase a 3D printer and a copy of SHAPE by Eric Dowty. https://www.shapesoftware.com/00_Website_Homepage/ Using SHAPE you can draw any crystal model you want on the computer, and print several copies for your class on the 3D printer. This has solved my crystal model needs for mineralogy classes for the foreseeable future! Cheers, Roberta Roberta L. Flemming, Professor Department of Earth Sciences Institute for Earth and Space Exploration Western University London, ON, N6A 5B7 Phone: 519-661-3143; Fax: 519-661-3198 email: rflemmin@uwo.ca On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 1:27 PM Ann Benbow via MSA-talk < msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote: > Hello all, > > > > Sorry to bother but can anyone on this list direct me to a vendor who > sells accurate wooden models of the 32 crystal classes? > > I did a simple search online but have not had any luck so far. > > > > For use in a mineralogy class. > > > > Thanks > > > > FS > > > > Frank Spera > > spera@ucsb.edu > _______________________________________________ > MSA-talk mailing list -- msa-talk@minlists.org > To unsubscribe send an email to msa-talk-leave@minlists.org >

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Thomson, Jennifer

Wed, Mar 20, 2024 6:18 PM

Plastic models work well too.

https://www.shapeways.com/shops/smorf

Jenny

Jennifer A. Thomson
SCI 126G Cheney, WA 99004
509.359.2286 jthomson@ewu.edu

From: Ann Benbow via MSA-talk msa-talk@minlists.org
Date: Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 10:29 AM
To: Andrea Koziol via MSA-talk msa-talk@minlists.org
Subject: [MSA-talk] Request from Frank Spera
Hello all,

Sorry to bother but can anyone on this list direct me to a vendor who sells accurate wooden models of the 32 crystal classes?

I did a simple search online but have not had any luck so far.

For use in a mineralogy class.

Thanks

FS

Frank Spera
spera@ucsb.edu

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Plastic models work well too. https://www.shapeways.com/shops/smorf Jenny Jennifer A. Thomson SCI 126G Cheney, WA 99004 509.359.2286 jthomson@ewu.edu From: Ann Benbow via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org> Date: Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 10:29 AM To: Andrea Koziol via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org> Subject: [MSA-talk] Request from Frank Spera Hello all, Sorry to bother but can anyone on this list direct me to a vendor who sells accurate wooden models of the 32 crystal classes? I did a simple search online but have not had any luck so far. For use in a mineralogy class. Thanks FS Frank Spera spera@ucsb.edu CAUTION This email originated from outside your organization. Please exercise caution when clicking any links or opening attachments.

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Thomas S. Duffy

Wed, Mar 20, 2024 8:33 PM

Frank --

At Princeton, we have hundreds of these wooden models (do you recall?).
Some of them are various old sets (now partial) from the Krantz
company. Some others were apparently hand carved by Professor Phillips
a century of so ago. We even still have a few of the old cigar boxes
the students were given (see attached).
We could share some of these models, but it might take a little time as
they are not particularly well organized right now.

Tom Duffy

On 3/20/2024 1:18 PM, Ann Benbow via MSA-talk wrote:

Hello all,

Sorry to bother but can anyone on this list direct me to a vendor who
sells accurate wooden models of the 32 crystal classes?

I did a simple search online but have not had any luck so far.

For use in a mineralogy class.

Thanks

FS

Frank Spera

spera@ucsb.edu

MSA-talk mailing list --msa-talk@minlists.org
To unsubscribe send an email tomsa-talk-leave@minlists.org

Frank -- At Princeton, we have hundreds of these wooden models (do you recall?). Some of them are various old sets (now partial) from the Krantz company. Some others were apparently hand carved by Professor Phillips a century of so ago. We even still have a few of the old cigar boxes the students were given (see attached). We could share some of these models, but it might take a little time as they are not particularly well organized right now. Tom Duffy On 3/20/2024 1:18 PM, Ann Benbow via MSA-talk wrote: > > Hello all, > > Sorry to bother but can anyone on this list direct me to a vendor who > sells accurate wooden models of the 32 crystal classes? > > I did a simple search online but have not had any luck so far. > > For use in a mineralogy class. > > Thanks > > FS > > Frank Spera > > spera@ucsb.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > MSA-talk mailing list --msa-talk@minlists.org > To unsubscribe send an email tomsa-talk-leave@minlists.org

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Thomas Sharp

Wed, Mar 20, 2024 8:56 PM

Hi All

Another thing that you might do it to introduce your students to Smorf https://www.smorf.nl/index.php

This website allows students to build their own crystal models and experiment with how forms interact and how they change with symmetry changes. Our students get an unknown sample to ID and write about and I encourage them to model the euhedral samples with Smorf to create a figure for explaining forms in their samples.

Tom

Thomas Sharp
Associate Director of Community Outreach
Professor, School of Earth and Space Exploration
Arizona State University

From: HUIFANG XU via MSA-talk msa-talk@minlists.org
Date: Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 12:09 PM
To: Ann Benbow ABenbow@minsocam.org, Andrea Koziol via MSA-talk msa-talk@minlists.org
Subject: [MSA-talk] Re: Request from Frank Spera
Hi Frank:
I suggest to use 3D printer to make your own.
Best wishes!

Huifang

From: Ann Benbow via MSA-talk msa-talk@minlists.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2024 12:18 PM
To: Andrea Koziol via MSA-talk msa-talk@minlists.org
Subject: [MSA-talk] Request from Frank Spera

Hello all,

Sorry to bother but can anyone on this list direct me to a vendor who sells accurate wooden models of the 32 crystal classes?

I did a simple search online but have not had any luck so far.

For use in a mineralogy class.

Thanks

FS

Frank Spera
spera@ucsb.edu mailto:spera@ucsb.edu

Hi All Another thing that you might do it to introduce your students to Smorf https://www.smorf.nl/index.php This website allows students to build their own crystal models and experiment with how forms interact and how they change with symmetry changes. Our students get an unknown sample to ID and write about and I encourage them to model the euhedral samples with Smorf to create a figure for explaining forms in their samples. Tom Thomas Sharp Associate Director of Community Outreach Professor, School of Earth and Space Exploration Arizona State University From: HUIFANG XU via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org> Date: Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 12:09 PM To: Ann Benbow <ABenbow@minsocam.org>, Andrea Koziol via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org> Subject: [MSA-talk] Re: Request from Frank Spera Hi Frank: I suggest to use 3D printer to make your own. Best wishes! Huifang From: Ann Benbow via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2024 12:18 PM To: Andrea Koziol via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org> Subject: [MSA-talk] Request from Frank Spera Hello all, Sorry to bother but can anyone on this list direct me to a vendor who sells accurate wooden models of the 32 crystal classes? I did a simple search online but have not had any luck so far. For use in a mineralogy class. Thanks FS Frank Spera spera@ucsb.edu<mailto:spera@ucsb.edu>

MW

Max Wilke

Thu, Mar 21, 2024 3:00 PM

I don't know whether this was stated already....
Krantz in Germany still sells them:
https://www.krantz-online.de/en/teaching-material/crystal-lattices-and-models/
Cheers Max

Am 20.03.24 um 21:33 schrieb Thomas S. Duffy via MSA-talk:

Frank --

At Princeton, we have hundreds of these wooden models (do you
recall?). Some of them are various old sets (now partial) from the
Krantz company. Some others were apparently hand carved by Professor
Phillips a century of so ago. We even still have a few of the old
cigar boxes the students were given (see attached).
We could share some of these models, but it might take a little time
as they are not particularly well organized right now.

Tom Duffy

On 3/20/2024 1:18 PM, Ann Benbow via MSA-talk wrote:

Hello all,

Sorry to bother but can anyone on this list direct me to a vendor who
sells accurate wooden models of the 32 crystal classes?

I did a simple search online but have not had any luck so far.

For use in a mineralogy class.

Thanks

FS

Frank Spera

spera@ucsb.edu

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Institut f. Geowissenschaften
Universität Potsdam
Karl-Liebknecht-Str. 24, Hs. 27
14476 Potsdam-Golm
T:+49 331 977 5108 Fax:+49 331 977 5700

I don't know whether this was stated already.... Krantz in Germany still sells them: https://www.krantz-online.de/en/teaching-material/crystal-lattices-and-models/ Cheers Max Am 20.03.24 um 21:33 schrieb Thomas S. Duffy via MSA-talk: > Frank -- > > At Princeton, we have hundreds of these wooden models (do you > recall?). Some of them are various old sets (now partial) from the > Krantz company. Some others were apparently hand carved by Professor > Phillips a century of so ago. We even still have a few of the old > cigar boxes the students were given (see attached). > We could share some of these models, but it might take a little time > as they are not particularly well organized right now. > > Tom Duffy > > On 3/20/2024 1:18 PM, Ann Benbow via MSA-talk wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> Sorry to bother but can anyone on this list direct me to a vendor who >> sells accurate wooden models of the 32 crystal classes? >> >> I did a simple search online but have not had any luck so far. >> >> For use in a mineralogy class. >> >> Thanks >> >> FS >> >> Frank Spera >> >> spera@ucsb.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MSA-talk mailing list --msa-talk@minlists.org >> To unsubscribe send an email tomsa-talk-leave@minlists.org > > > _______________________________________________ > MSA-talk mailing list --msa-talk@minlists.org > To unsubscribe send an email tomsa-talk-leave@minlists.org -- Max Wilke Institut f. Geowissenschaften Universität Potsdam Karl-Liebknecht-Str. 24, Hs. 27 14476 Potsdam-Golm T:+49 331 977 5108 Fax:+49 331 977 5700