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Adam Simon
Thu, Feb 25, 2021 5:51 PM

A good IPA cooled to 32 degrees F works best for my demonstrations.

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 12:48 PM Lamadrid, Hector via MSA-talk <
msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote:

Dear all,

Also not decompression melting (the slope of the phase transitions are
inverted), but I tend to use the analogy of what happens when you put
carbonated beverages in the freezer, and they only freeze only after you
open the container. Most people have experienced something like this.

Cheers,
Hector


Dr. Hector M. Lamadrid

Assistant Professor

Department of Geological Sciences

Office 202

University of Missouri

Phone: +1-573-639-1804

Geological Building, Columbia, MO 65201, USA


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Subject: [MSA-talk] Re: [EXT] Re: Classroom demonstration of
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Thanks Sebastien for suggesting water ice...

Here is an amazing albeit older video by French pioneer Rene Le Toullec

https://www.canal-u.tv/video/science_en_cours/cristallisation_sous_pression.11
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.canal-u.tv%2Fvideo%2Fscience_en_cours%2Fcristallisation_sous_pression.11&data=04%7C01%7C%7C156567ce2fcd4adad7b108d8d9b0b0a2%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C637498700188683703%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=6QB6D1hWgT8yiy4zB02B9GxZG0AXt5Ms0R4AyE2JqTg%3D&reserved=0

On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 8:11 AM Robert Bodnar via MSA-talk <
msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote:

I do recall seeing videos of this several years ago - maybe from
I-Ming Chou’s group or from Russ Hemley’s group?

On Feb 24, 2021, at 10:47 AM, Fred Marton via MSA-talk <

A video of this would be great!

On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 10:26 AM Sébastien Merkel via MSA-talk <

Not everyone has one, but pure water in the diamond anvil cell works
well. You can look into your diamond cell with a microscope and camera
and project the image.

As you increase pressure to ~1 GPa, you form ice VI at ambient
temperature, which you can melt by releasing pressure.

--
Sébastien Merkel

UMET - Unité Matériaux et Transformations
Université de Lille - CNRS
http://merkel.texture.rocks/

Tel:    +33 (0)3 20 43 65 16
E-mail: sebastien.merkel@univ-lille.fr

Le 23/02/2021 à 21:51, Mark Rivers via MSA-talk a écrit :

Hi Mike,

I have never tried it, but gallium seems like a good candidate but for

the opposite effect.  The liquid is more dense than the solid, so it melts
as you apply pressure. It melts at 29.8 C (85.6 F) so with just a little
heating you can get it near its melting point in the lab.  Application of a
little pressure should melt it.  It might be hard to observe in a vise,
since as soon as pressure is released (i.e. a droplet) it will freeze.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Palin via MSA-talk msa-talk@minlists.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 2:14 PM
To: msa-talk@minlists.org
Subject: [MSA-talk] Classroom demonstration of decompression melting?

Hello all-

Does anyone know of a demonstration of decompression melting that

could be done "live" in a classroom? Ideally a nontoxic material that is
solid under compression (perhaps held in a vise) at near room temperatures
and visibly melts a bit when the pressure is released. I know, too much to
ask for.

Cheers,
Mike


Dr J. Michael Palin
Department of Geology
University of Otago
PO Box 56, Dunedin 9054 (post)
360 Leith Street, North Dunedin 9016

+64-3-479-9083 (office)
+64-3-479-7527 (fax)
+64-3-479-7519 (admin)
ORCID 0000-0002-4972-7302


Who will prefer the jingle of jade pendants If they once have heard

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  • Lao Tzu

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A good IPA cooled to 32 degrees F works best for my demonstrations. On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 12:48 PM Lamadrid, Hector via MSA-talk < msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote: > Dear all, > > Also not decompression melting (the slope of the phase transitions are > inverted), but I tend to use the analogy of what happens when you put > carbonated beverages in the freezer, and they only freeze only after you > open the container. Most people have experienced something like this. > > Cheers, > Hector > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > Dr. Hector M. Lamadrid > > Assistant Professor > > Department of Geological Sciences > > Office 202 > > University of Missouri > > Phone: +1-573-639-1804 > > Geological Building, Columbia, MO 65201, USA > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Marius Millot via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 25, 2021 2:01 AM > *To:* Robert Bodnar <rjb@vt.edu> > *Cc:* Sébastien Merkel <sebastien.merkel@univ-lille.fr>; msa-talk < > msa-talk@minlists.org> > *Subject:* [MSA-talk] Re: [EXT] Re: Classroom demonstration of > decompression melting? > > WARNING: This message has originated from an External Source. This may be > a phishing expedition that can result in unauthorized access to our IT > System. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, > clicking links, or responding to this email. > Thanks Sebastien for suggesting water ice... > > Here is an amazing albeit older video by French pioneer Rene Le Toullec > > > https://www.canal-u.tv/video/science_en_cours/cristallisation_sous_pression.11 > <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.canal-u.tv%2Fvideo%2Fscience_en_cours%2Fcristallisation_sous_pression.11&data=04%7C01%7C%7C156567ce2fcd4adad7b108d8d9b0b0a2%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C637498700188683703%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=6QB6D1hWgT8yiy4zB02B9GxZG0AXt5Ms0R4AyE2JqTg%3D&reserved=0> > > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 8:11 AM Robert Bodnar via MSA-talk < > msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote: > > I do recall seeing videos of this several years ago - maybe from > I-Ming Chou’s group or from Russ Hemley’s group? > > > > On Feb 24, 2021, at 10:47 AM, Fred Marton via MSA-talk < > msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote: > > > > A video of this would be great! > > > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 10:26 AM Sébastien Merkel via MSA-talk < > msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote: > > > > Not everyone has one, but pure water in the diamond anvil cell works > > well. You can look into your diamond cell with a microscope and camera > > and project the image. > > > > As you increase pressure to ~1 GPa, you form ice VI at ambient > > temperature, which you can melt by releasing pressure. > > > > > > -- > > Sébastien Merkel > > > > UMET - Unité Matériaux et Transformations > > Université de Lille - CNRS > > http://merkel.texture.rocks/ > <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmerkel.texture.rocks%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C156567ce2fcd4adad7b108d8d9b0b0a2%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C637498700188683703%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=%2FoV%2BJCSrv562ITqxTFEUwlcPt2ujXrQvfsCxBr1Lb3k%3D&reserved=0> > > Tel: +33 (0)3 20 43 65 16 > > E-mail: sebastien.merkel@univ-lille.fr > > > > Le 23/02/2021 à 21:51, Mark Rivers via MSA-talk a écrit : > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > I have never tried it, but gallium seems like a good candidate but for > the opposite effect. The liquid is more dense than the solid, so it melts > as you apply pressure. It melts at 29.8 C (85.6 F) so with just a little > heating you can get it near its melting point in the lab. Application of a > little pressure should melt it. It might be hard to observe in a vise, > since as soon as pressure is released (i.e. a droplet) it will freeze. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mike Palin via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 2:14 PM > > > To: msa-talk@minlists.org > > > Subject: [MSA-talk] Classroom demonstration of decompression melting? > > > > > > Hello all- > > > > > > Does anyone know of a demonstration of decompression melting that > could be done "live" in a classroom? Ideally a nontoxic material that is > solid under compression (perhaps held in a vise) at near room temperatures > and visibly melts a bit when the pressure is released. I know, too much to > ask for. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Mike > > > > > > ___________________________________________________ > > > Dr J. Michael Palin > > > Department of Geology > > > University of Otago > > > PO Box 56, Dunedin 9054 (post) > > > 360 Leith Street, North Dunedin 9016 > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/360+Leith+Street,+North+Dunedin+9016?entry=gmail&source=g> > (courier) New Zealand > > > +64-3-479-9083 (office) > > > +64-3-479-7527 (fax) > > > +64-3-479-7519 (admin) > > > ORCID 0000-0002-4972-7302 > > > _______________________________ > > > Who will prefer the jingle of jade pendants If they once have heard > stone growing in a cliff? > > > - Lao Tzu > > > _______________________________________________ > > > MSA-talk mailing list -- msa-talk@minlists.org To unsubscribe send an > email to msa-talk-leave@minlists.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > > MSA-talk mailing list -- msa-talk@minlists.org > > > To unsubscribe send an email to msa-talk-leave@minlists.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > MSA-talk mailing list -- msa-talk@minlists.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to msa-talk-leave@minlists.org > > > > > > -- > > Fred Marton, PhD > > Department of Physical Sciences > > Bergen Community College > > 400 Paramus Rd. > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/400+Paramus+Rd.+%0D%0A+Paramus,+NJ+07652-1508?entry=gmail&source=g> > > Paramus, NJ > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/400+Paramus+Rd.+%0D%0A+Paramus,+NJ+07652-1508?entry=gmail&source=g> > 07652-1508 > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/400+Paramus+Rd.+%0D%0A+Paramus,+NJ+07652-1508?entry=gmail&source=g> > > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/400+Paramus+Rd.+%0D%0A+Paramus,+NJ+07652-1508?entry=gmail&source=g>> > +1-201-493-7518 > > _______________________________________________ > > MSA-talk mailing list -- msa-talk@minlists.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to msa-talk-leave@minlists.org > _______________________________________________ > MSA-talk mailing list -- msa-talk@minlists.org > To unsubscribe send an email to msa-talk-leave@minlists.org > > _______________________________________________ > MSA-talk mailing list -- msa-talk@minlists.org > To unsubscribe send an email to msa-talk-leave@minlists.org >
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pmodreski@aol.com
Thu, Feb 25, 2021 7:03 PM

Would that they only did freeze when you open the container!  We have had all to many experiences of leaving cans (or boxes thereof) of diet soda pop in a car parked outside (or in ouir unheated garage) overnight during cold Colorado winters, and having them explode, showering ice all over the trunk or wherever!  Diet pop is (must be) more readily frozen than the sugared kind.  At least, with no sugar, there's no sticky residue when it melts.  But it's fun to shake a supercooled water bottle and watch it freeze.  Guess I've been afraid to do this with a clear bottle of pop!
Pete Modreski

-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Simon via MSA-talk msa-talk@minlists.org
To: Lamadrid, Hector lamadridh@missouri.edu
Cc: Sébastien Merkel sebastien.merkel@univ-lille.fr; msa-talk@minlists.org msa-talk@minlists.org
Sent: Thu, Feb 25, 2021 10:51 am
Subject: [MSA-talk] Re: [EXT] Re: Classroom demonstration of decompression melting?

A good IPA cooled to 32 degrees F works best for my demonstrations. 
On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 12:48 PM Lamadrid, Hector via MSA-talk msa-talk@minlists.org wrote:

Dear all,
Also not decompression melting (the slope of the phase transitions are inverted), but I tend to use the analogy of what happens when you put carbonated beverages in the freezer, and they only freeze only after you open the container. Most people have experienced something like this.
Cheers,Hector
------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Hector M. LamadridAssistant ProfessorDepartment of Geological SciencesOffice 202University of MissouriPhone: +1-573-639-1804Geological Building, Columbia, MO 65201, USA
From: Marius Millot via MSA-talk msa-talk@minlists.org
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 2:01 AM
To: Robert Bodnar rjb@vt.edu
Cc: Sébastien Merkel sebastien.merkel@univ-lille.fr; msa-talk msa-talk@minlists.org
Subject: [MSA-talk] Re: [EXT] Re: Classroom demonstration of decompression melting? WARNING: This message has originated from an External Source. This may be a phishing expedition that can result in unauthorized access to our IT System. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email.Thanks Sebastien for suggesting water ice...
Here is an amazing albeit older video by French pioneer Rene Le Toullec

https://www.canal-u.tv/video/science_en_cours/cristallisation_sous_pression.11

On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 8:11 AM Robert Bodnar via MSA-talk msa-talk@minlists.org wrote:

I do recall seeing videos of this several years ago - maybe from
I-Ming Chou’s group or from Russ Hemley’s group? 

On Feb 24, 2021, at 10:47 AM, Fred Marton via MSA-talk msa-talk@minlists.org wrote:

A video of this would be great!

On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 10:26 AM Sébastien Merkel via MSA-talk msa-talk@minlists.org wrote:

Not everyone has one, but pure water in the diamond anvil cell works
well. You can look into your diamond cell with a microscope and camera
and project the image.

As you increase pressure to ~1 GPa, you form ice VI at ambient
temperature, which you can melt by releasing pressure.

--
Sébastien Merkel

UMET - Unité Matériaux et Transformations
Université de Lille - CNRS
http://merkel.texture.rocks/
Tel:    +33 (0)3 20 43 65 16
E-mail: sebastien.merkel@univ-lille.fr

Le 23/02/2021 à 21:51, Mark Rivers via MSA-talk a écrit :

Hi Mike,

I have never tried it, but gallium seems like a good candidate but for the opposite effect.  The liquid is more dense than the solid, so it melts as you apply pressure. It melts at 29.8 C (85.6 F) so with just a little heating you can get it near its melting point in the lab.  Application of a little pressure should melt it.  It might be hard to observe in a vise, since as soon as pressure is released (i.e. a droplet) it will freeze.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Palin via MSA-talk msa-talk@minlists.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 2:14 PM
To: msa-talk@minlists.org
Subject: [MSA-talk] Classroom demonstration of decompression melting?

Hello all-

Does anyone know of a demonstration of decompression melting that could be done "live" in a classroom? Ideally a nontoxic material that is solid under compression (perhaps held in a vise) at near room temperatures and visibly melts a bit when the pressure is released. I know, too much to ask for.

Cheers,
Mike


Dr J. Michael Palin
Department of Geology
University of Otago
PO Box 56, Dunedin 9054 (post)
360 Leith Street, North Dunedin 9016 (courier) New Zealand
+64-3-479-9083 (office)
+64-3-479-7527 (fax)
+64-3-479-7519 (admin)
ORCID 0000-0002-4972-7302


Who will prefer the jingle of jade pendants If they once have heard stone growing in a cliff?

  • Lao Tzu

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Would that they only did freeze when you open the container!  We have had all to many experiences of leaving cans (or boxes thereof) of diet soda pop in a car parked outside (or in ouir unheated garage) overnight during cold Colorado winters, and having them explode, showering ice all over the trunk or wherever!  Diet pop is (must be) more readily frozen than the sugared kind.  At least, with no sugar, there's no sticky residue when it melts.  But it's fun to shake a supercooled water bottle and watch it freeze.  Guess I've been afraid to do this with a clear bottle of pop! Pete Modreski -----Original Message----- From: Adam Simon via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org> To: Lamadrid, Hector <lamadridh@missouri.edu> Cc: Sébastien Merkel <sebastien.merkel@univ-lille.fr>; msa-talk@minlists.org <msa-talk@minlists.org> Sent: Thu, Feb 25, 2021 10:51 am Subject: [MSA-talk] Re: [EXT] Re: Classroom demonstration of decompression melting? A good IPA cooled to 32 degrees F works best for my demonstrations.  On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 12:48 PM Lamadrid, Hector via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote: Dear all, Also not decompression melting (the slope of the phase transitions are inverted), but I tend to use the analogy of what happens when you put carbonated beverages in the freezer, and they only freeze only after you open the container. Most people have experienced something like this. Cheers,Hector ------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Hector M. LamadridAssistant ProfessorDepartment of Geological SciencesOffice 202University of MissouriPhone: +1-573-639-1804Geological Building, Columbia, MO 65201, USA From: Marius Millot via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 2:01 AM To: Robert Bodnar <rjb@vt.edu> Cc: Sébastien Merkel <sebastien.merkel@univ-lille.fr>; msa-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org> Subject: [MSA-talk] Re: [EXT] Re: Classroom demonstration of decompression melting? WARNING: This message has originated from an External Source. This may be a phishing expedition that can result in unauthorized access to our IT System. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email.Thanks Sebastien for suggesting water ice... Here is an amazing albeit older video by French pioneer Rene Le Toullec https://www.canal-u.tv/video/science_en_cours/cristallisation_sous_pression.11 On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 8:11 AM Robert Bodnar via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote: I do recall seeing videos of this several years ago - maybe from I-Ming Chou’s group or from Russ Hemley’s group?  > On Feb 24, 2021, at 10:47 AM, Fred Marton via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote: > > A video of this would be great! > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 10:26 AM Sébastien Merkel via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org> wrote: > > Not everyone has one, but pure water in the diamond anvil cell works > well. You can look into your diamond cell with a microscope and camera > and project the image. > > As you increase pressure to ~1 GPa, you form ice VI at ambient > temperature, which you can melt by releasing pressure. > > > -- > Sébastien Merkel > > UMET - Unité Matériaux et Transformations > Université de Lille - CNRS > http://merkel.texture.rocks/ > Tel:    +33 (0)3 20 43 65 16 > E-mail: sebastien.merkel@univ-lille.fr > > Le 23/02/2021 à 21:51, Mark Rivers via MSA-talk a écrit : > > Hi Mike, > > > > I have never tried it, but gallium seems like a good candidate but for the opposite effect.  The liquid is more dense than the solid, so it melts as you apply pressure. It melts at 29.8 C (85.6 F) so with just a little heating you can get it near its melting point in the lab.  Application of a little pressure should melt it.  It might be hard to observe in a vise, since as soon as pressure is released (i.e. a droplet) it will freeze. > > > > Mark > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mike Palin via MSA-talk <msa-talk@minlists.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 2:14 PM > > To: msa-talk@minlists.org > > Subject: [MSA-talk] Classroom demonstration of decompression melting? > > > > Hello all- > > > > Does anyone know of a demonstration of decompression melting that could be done "live" in a classroom? Ideally a nontoxic material that is solid under compression (perhaps held in a vise) at near room temperatures and visibly melts a bit when the pressure is released. I know, too much to ask for. > > > > Cheers, > > Mike > > > > ___________________________________________________ > > Dr J. Michael Palin > > Department of Geology > > University of Otago > > PO Box 56, Dunedin 9054 (post) > > 360 Leith Street, North Dunedin 9016 (courier) New Zealand > > +64-3-479-9083 (office) > > +64-3-479-7527 (fax) > > +64-3-479-7519 (admin) > > ORCID 0000-0002-4972-7302 > > _______________________________ > > Who will prefer the jingle of jade pendants If they once have heard stone growing in a cliff? > > - Lao Tzu > > _______________________________________________ > > MSA-talk mailing list -- msa-talk@minlists.org To unsubscribe send an email to msa-talk-leave@minlists.org > > _______________________________________________ > > MSA-talk mailing list -- msa-talk@minlists.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to msa-talk-leave@minlists.org > > > _______________________________________________ > MSA-talk mailing list -- msa-talk@minlists.org > To unsubscribe send an email to msa-talk-leave@minlists.org > > > -- > Fred Marton, PhD > Department of Physical Sciences > Bergen Community College > 400 Paramus Rd. > Paramus, NJ  07652-1508 > +1-201-493-7518 > _______________________________________________ > MSA-talk mailing list -- msa-talk@minlists.org > To unsubscribe send an email to msa-talk-leave@minlists.org _______________________________________________ MSA-talk mailing list -- msa-talk@minlists.org To unsubscribe send an email to msa-talk-leave@minlists.org _______________________________________________ MSA-talk mailing list -- msa-talk@minlists.org To unsubscribe send an email to msa-talk-leave@minlists.org _______________________________________________ MSA-talk mailing list -- msa-talk@minlists.org To unsubscribe send an email to msa-talk-leave@minlists.org