Draft minutes of the May meeting for your comments and corrections.

Pat

I continue to, uh, test your awareness. Kudos to Carl-Henry. The actual minutes are attached.

Pat

As to the motion passed at the meeting that "we offer a one-year membership to the Society for [virtual presenters] or a person of their choosing, if feasible for tax, legal, and related reasons," I am of the opinion that this is indeed feasible from a tax standpoint (and eminently sensible from a fiscal standpoint), as long as it is made clear that the "person of their choosing" be someone from among their students or research group (remote as the possibility might be, we don't want this to be something they could sell off on eBay).

--Carl-Henry

On Fri, May 15, 2020, at 6:34 PM, Patrick Carr wrote:

Thank you, Pat, for preparing these minutes so carefully and quickly!
Thank you, Carl-Henry, for the clarification you offer. Can we make this change in the minutes and consider this motion passed? In my appreciation, this is a minor amendment that comports with the spirit of our discussion. If we need to do anything more specific, please let me know. We have people in Council very well versed in the rules, and I will rely on their advice. I think that the idea of offering memberships is simple and elegant.

All the best,

Ester.

Ester Sztein, PhD
Assistant Director, Board on International Scientific Organizations
Deputy Director, Board on Research Data and Information
The National Academies
500 5th Street, NW K504
Washington, DC 20001
Phone: 202-334-3049
Fax: 202-334-2231
Email: esztein@nas.edu
http://national-academies.org/biso

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Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 1:25 PM
To: Patrick Carr; gsw-councilplus-l@minlists.org
Subject: Re: [Gsw-councilplus-l] draft minutes of the May 13, 2020 council meeting

As to the motion passed at the meeting that "we offer a one-year membership to the Society for [virtual presenters] or a person of their choosing, if feasible for tax, legal, and related reasons," I am of the opinion that this is indeed feasible from a tax standpoint (and eminently sensible from a fiscal standpoint), as long as it is made clear that the "person of their choosing" be someone from among their students or research group (remote as the possibility might be, we don't want this to be something they could sell off on eBay).

--Carl-Henry

On Fri, May 15, 2020, at 6:34 PM, Patrick Carr wrote:
I continue to, uh, test your awareness. Kudos to Carl-Henry. The actual minutes are attached.

Pat

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All,

Is this offer of membership in lieu of dinners during COVID-19? In other words, is this a temporary or permanent change, as currently envisioned?

Liz

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Date: Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 7:28 PM
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Thank you, Pat, for preparing these minutes so carefully and quickly!
Thank you, Carl-Henry, for the clarification you offer. Can we make this change in the minutes and consider this motion passed? In my appreciation, this is a minor amendment that comports with the spirit of our discussion. If we need to do anything more specific, please let me know. We have people in Council very well versed in the rules, and I will rely on their advice. I think that the idea of offering memberships is simple and elegant.

All the best,

Ester.

Ester Sztein, PhD
Assistant Director, Board on International Scientific Organizations
Deputy Director, Board on Research Data and Information
The National Academies
500 5th Street, NW K504
Washington, DC 20001
Phone: 202-334-3049
Fax: 202-334-2231
Email: esztein@nas.edu
http://national-academies.org/biso

From: gsw-councilplus-l-bounces@minlists.org gsw-councilplus-l-bounces@minlists.org on behalf of Carl-Henry Geschwind geschwind@fastmail.com
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 1:25 PM
To: Patrick Carr; gsw-councilplus-l@minlists.org
Subject: Re: [Gsw-councilplus-l] draft minutes of the May 13, 2020 council meeting

As to the motion passed at the meeting that "we offer a one-year membership to the Society for [virtual presenters] or a person of their choosing, if feasible for tax, legal, and related reasons," I am of the opinion that this is indeed feasible from a tax standpoint (and eminently sensible from a fiscal standpoint), as long as it is made clear that the "person of their choosing" be someone from among their students or research group (remote as the possibility might be, we don't want this to be something they could sell off on eBay).

--Carl-Henry

On Fri, May 15, 2020, at 6:34 PM, Patrick Carr wrote:
I continue to, uh, test your awareness. Kudos to Carl-Henry. The actual minutes are attached.

Pat

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Hi Liz, all,

This conversation happened in the context of the current (and future) emergencies, so the change is only for when we have virtual meetings. We will return to our normal operations as the emergency subsides. We should make this clear in writing.

Thank you for bringing this up, Liz,

Ester.

Ester Sztein, PhD
Assistant Director, Board on International Scientific Organizations
Deputy Director, Board on Research Data and Information
The National Academies
500 5th Street, NW K504
Washington, DC 20001
Phone: 202-334-3049
Fax: 202-334-2231
Email: esztein@nas.edu
http://national-academies.org/biso

From: Cottrell, Elizabeth cottrelle@si.edu
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 9:36 AM
To: Sztein, Ester; Carl-Henry Geschwind; Patrick Carr; gsw-councilplus-l@minlists.org
Subject: Re: [Gsw-councilplus-l] draft minutes of the May 13, 2020 council meeting

All,

Is this offer of membership in lieu of dinners during COVID-19? In other words, is this a temporary or permanent change, as currently envisioned?

Liz

From: gsw-councilplus-l-bounces@minlists.org on behalf of Ester Sztein ESztein@nas.edu
Date: Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 7:28 PM
To: Carl-Henry Geschwind geschwind@fastmail.com, Patrick Carr patcarr@gmail.com, "gsw-councilplus-l@minlists.org" gsw-councilplus-l@minlists.org
Subject: Re: [Gsw-councilplus-l] draft minutes of the May 13, 2020 council meeting

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Thank you, Pat, for preparing these minutes so carefully and quickly!
Thank you, Carl-Henry, for the clarification you offer. Can we make this change in the minutes and consider this motion passed? In my appreciation, this is a minor amendment that comports with the spirit of our discussion. If we need to do anything more specific, please let me know. We have people in Council very well versed in the rules, and I will rely on their advice. I think that the idea of offering memberships is simple and elegant.

All the best,

Ester.

Ester Sztein, PhD
Assistant Director, Board on International Scientific Organizations
Deputy Director, Board on Research Data and Information
The National Academies
500 5th Street, NW K504
Washington, DC 20001
Phone: 202-334-3049
Fax: 202-334-2231
Email: esztein@nas.edu
http://national-academies.org/biso

From: gsw-councilplus-l-bounces@minlists.org gsw-councilplus-l-bounces@minlists.org on behalf of Carl-Henry Geschwind geschwind@fastmail.com
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 1:25 PM
To: Patrick Carr; gsw-councilplus-l@minlists.org
Subject: Re: [Gsw-councilplus-l] draft minutes of the May 13, 2020 council meeting

As to the motion passed at the meeting that "we offer a one-year membership to the Society for [virtual presenters] or a person of their choosing, if feasible for tax, legal, and related reasons," I am of the opinion that this is indeed feasible from a tax standpoint (and eminently sensible from a fiscal standpoint), as long as it is made clear that the "person of their choosing" be someone from among their students or research group (remote as the possibility might be, we don't want this to be something they could sell off on eBay).

--Carl-Henry

On Fri, May 15, 2020, at 6:34 PM, Patrick Carr wrote:
I continue to, uh, test your awareness. Kudos to Carl-Henry. The actual minutes are attached.

Pat

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New suggested wording based on the conversation:

Cottrell moved that for presenters at virtual Regular Meetings, we offer a one-year membership to the Society for themselves or a person of their choosing, if feasible for tax, legal, and related reasons, and subject to the application process.

I don’t think that’s out of bounds with what was passed, and I think captures both clarifications. The virtual Regular Meetings are permitted for the duration of stay-at-home orders, etc., as documented later in the meeting. And I think that allowing a control on individual cases is easier than trying to catch all the cases of colleagues and students and professional acquaintances and family members would be legitimate recipients.

Pat

Hi Pat, all,
Thank you, Pat. I like the new suggested phrasing, and propose that we adopt it.
Best,
Ester.

Ester Sztein, PhD
Assistant Director, Board on International Scientific Organizations
Deputy Director, Board on Research Data and Information
The National Academies
500 5th Street, NW K504
Washington, DC 20001
Phone: 202-334-3049
Fax: 202-334-2231
Email: esztein@nas.edu
http://national-academies.org/biso

From: Patrick Carr patcarr@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 10:23 AM
To: Sztein, Ester
Cc: Cottrell, Elizabeth; Carl-Henry Geschwind; gsw-councilplus-l@minlists.org
Subject: Re: [Gsw-councilplus-l] draft minutes of the May 13, 2020 council meeting

New suggested wording based on the conversation:

Cottrell moved that for presenters at virtual Regular Meetings, we offer a one-year membership to the Society for themselves or a person of their choosing, if feasible for tax, legal, and related reasons, and subject to the application process.

I don’t think that’s out of bounds with what was passed, and I think captures both clarifications. The virtual Regular Meetings are permitted for the duration of stay-at-home orders, etc., as documented later in the meeting. And I think that allowing a control on individual cases is easier than trying to catch all the cases of colleagues and students and professional acquaintances and family members would be legitimate recipients.

Pat

Ok by me, Jamie

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